How to shim up a Nissan R200 Viscous LSD

Mike · Joined: 20 Oct 2005 Posts: 2467 Location: North Shore, AKL.

A quick guide to what you need to do (now with pictures!). If you're not confortable with pulling apart a diff or don't have the tools needed then find somebody who can, i.e. a diff specialist.

In saying that, I'll do the whole job drive in drive out for $400, or $220 if you bring the diff to me. You think my prices are too much? do it yourself Razz

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Step 1:
Jack the rear of the ol' beasty up nice and high so you have plenty of room to move around. Make sure you put some Metallica on to get you in the right mood for it - none of this Reload crap, some Master of Puppets or Ride the Lightning!

Step 2:
Drain Diff oil. There is a plug on the bottom of the diff housing that you can use to drain it into a suitable container. Make sure you do the drain plug back up tight so you don't forget about it later. It's a good idea to wipe the metallic sludge off the magnet with a rag (you'll see what I mean). Also, if you want to re-use the oil, drain it into a clean container. It is a good idea to change it though. I'm not sure on how much oil it takes exactly but you just have to refill it until it starts comming back out of the checker plug, located about halfway up the diff housing.

Step 3:
Make sure handbrake is on firmly. Loosen the 4 bolts holding the driveshaft to the diff flange. If you can't reach them all put the gearbox in neutral, remove the handbrake and rotate driveshaft to suit then repeat.

Step 4:
Once you have loosened the 4 driveshaft bolts, its time to tackle the half shaft flanges. on either side of the diff there will be a stub with either a 5-bolt pattern (gts-t, factory turbo a31/c33) or a 6-bolt pattern (3 lots of 2, regular a31/c33 etc etc). Once again if you can't reach them all remove handbrake and rotate wheel etc. Some CRC won't go astray either if this is the first time the diff's ever been disturbed. The reason you do this last and the driveshaft first is that if you unbolted the 2 halfshafts first you couldn't utilise the handbrake to hold the driveshaft still while you undo the bolts.

Step 5:Now we're ready to remove everything. Before you do this make sure all the little bolts are removed that you're cracked off. the driveshaft will 'lever' out of the way with a screwdriver but the driveshafts will be a bit tricky. the 6-bolt driveshafts have 'lumpy' things in them that sit in a 'cup' on the halfshaft stub and are difficult to lever out of the way. 5 stud flanges are just 2 flat faces and are easy to slide out the way. There are 4 nuts above where the hicas rack is (if you have hicas) and 2 bolts towards the front by the driveshaft flange. remove these all and the diff will fall on the swaybar and sit there. Then it just takes a bit of dicking around to get it out. It will be quite difficult if you have a gts4/aftermarket swaybar installed. If you cant get all the doohickeys out at once, try removing a half shaft. Apply handbrake and remove the 36mm nut in the center of the hub. then u can remove halfshaft to give u more room.

Now, with a bit of luck (and maybe a trolley jack too) you have the diff infront of you. It's quite a heavy f**ker yea?

Step 6:
remove the rear diff cover (the alloy piece). Before you do anything else tap the axle stubs out of the diff housing (the bits with the flange on them). tap them hard from behind and they'll come out (you know you love to tap it hard from behind). Make sure u mark them left and right. Now under the diff cover there are 2 bolts either side, undo these and remove the bearing caps (again remember which way around and what side these go on). You will then see some bearings and spacers and things beside the diff head on either side. Lever the crownwheel out with a big bar and make sure u keep all the bearings etc in the correct order and sides (a vivid is handy for marking everything with terms like "inside, outside, left, right etc).

Step 7:
Now you have an oily diff head funky lookin' thing sittin there. There are several (about 10?) large bolts holding the crown wheel on. They are FUCKING tight!!!!! I'd recommend a decent vice and large powerbar or something - alternatively a pneumatic gun will work. Once the crownwheel's off, you'l see 2 large phillips screws. Remove these and off comes the viscous center. You'll see once u pull it off a washer sitting on a flat surface. That's your original preload shim - See below for a rough indication of what it looks like in new form.

Now the original plan was to double that thickness and put more load on the viscous center, somewhat 'reviving' it to how a LSD should be. If you're me however (you wish!), 1 extra shim just isn't enough for drifting (it is great for everyday driving however). So go on, be a devil and chuck 2 extra ones in there if its mainly for the dr- ifting.

This is what I posted about them on another thread, be your own judge about how many extra to put in:

Add 1 new one to the existing one (total of 2) if you want a decent predictable lsd for driving that spins up 2 wheels with ease. Comparable say to a BRAND NEW viscous diff (i.e. not worn out, you've probably never driven on one).
Add 2 extra preload shims to the existing one (total of 3) if you want a very solid diff that's very tight but not quite locked (comparable to say a kaaz 1.5 way mechanical).
Add 4 extra preload shims to the existing one (total of 5) if you're a crazy c*** and see if it actually works.

Step 8:
Do everything in reverse, make sure you listen to Metallica again!

**VERY IMPORTANT NOTE:**
before you screw the diff center back together after inserting shim, take the 'longer' of the 2 stub axles and insert it through the center of the diff all the way. This splines the 2 different splined parts of the diff center together so that when you go to insert the diff stubs at the end they'll actually fit (easiest way to explain it). Otherwise you'll be screamin' your head off wondering what you did wrong.

Pour the diff oil in before you put the backing plate on. Hopefully the gasket for it is in alright condition, just use some high temp sillicon to seal it before u bolt it up so it doesnt leak everywhere.

Just a little more info on the shim - It costs aroundabout $17ish including freight from japan. Usually about a 10 working day wait, usually less. You'll need to order this from your local Nissan Authorised Dealer. You could also rob one from another lsd but not worth the hassle of pulling 1 apart. The part number for them is as below:

Hope this helps, if it looks a wee bit daunting for you (it ain't that easy) and you're in Auckland I can do the job for you, as little or as much of it as you like (as above). If you think I've left anything out or have any questions just post a reply so everybody can see it.

Cheers,
Mike.

Heres a few pictures thanks to Nissan.james:

Removing the half-shafts:

After the diff center has been removed, you will have to unbolt the crown wheel from the diff center:

Once the crown wheel is off, you will need to undo those two phillips screws:

Pry the two pieces apart (where you have unscrewed) and you'll end up with this:

Yank this piece off and note the almighty shim:

This is where you insert the new one beside the existing one:

Hope this helps!

Crankn · Joined: 27 Sep 2004 Posts: 1825 Location: North Shore

4 been evil · Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2005 9:02 pm Post subject:

I've been shiming diffs for $200 including shim. Have it down to fine art now. If you using 3 shims(2 extras) you might as well weld it up.

Mike · Joined: 20 Oct 2005 Posts: 2467 Location: North Shore, AKL.

The $400 price tag represents my "I cant be f**ked" mindset Razz

, i.e. only that much will motivate me enough to actually do it and do a good job. does your $200 price include removal/installation?

4 been evil · Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2005 9:38 pm Post subject:

No it doesn't. Do enough of that stuff during the week.

Mike · Joined: 20 Oct 2005 Posts: 2467 Location: North Shore, AKL.

4skidz · Joined: 03 May 2005 Posts: 524 Location: chch

would it be possible to make up just one shim the size of 3 on a lathe?? as want to shim my diff up but have 5 days to do it,
any one have shim sizes??

cheers

Mike · Joined: 20 Oct 2005 Posts: 2467 Location: North Shore, AKL.

Sorry don't have any measurements. Best bet if you cant wait for the shims is to pull diff apart and measure thickness with a micrometer or vernier or whatever and tripple it. Be carefully with trippleing, it'll be pretty much locked.

Mike.

4skidz · Joined: 03 May 2005 Posts: 524 Location: chch

ok cheers do you know roughly wot thickness one shim would be? dont wana rip it to bits to find there to skinny to machine,

cheers

Mike · Joined: 20 Oct 2005 Posts: 2467 Location: North Shore, AKL.

4skidz · Joined: 03 May 2005 Posts: 524 Location: chch

sweet as, cheers for the info

munt · Joined: 24 Jul 2005 Posts: 430 Location: east akl

i got an A31 can u sell me a shimed LSD

Mike · Joined: 20 Oct 2005 Posts: 2467 Location: North Shore, AKL.

I don't have any "pre-shimmed" but if you take your LSD diff out I can shim it for you and you can put it back in.

Mike.

4skidz · Joined: 03 May 2005 Posts: 524 Location: chch

should the bolts on the crown wheel etc be torqed back up?any settings? or just nioce and tight will do?

cheers

Mike · Joined: 20 Oct 2005 Posts: 2467 Location: North Shore, AKL.

well they are flippin hard to get in done, I imagine they are some what 'overcooked' in regards to tightness, so yea 'tight as you can' should do fine.